The Best?

[fresh]

What's up fellas, first post. I left bb.com, bunch of dickheads over there. Before I ask my question, here are my stats: 19yrs old 197lbs 12%bf. Alright, what's the closest thing legally/safely available to steroids? Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not some 19 yr old who is lazy and just expecting a miracle supp. I understand diet plays a key role, but there has to be something out there. I don't want to get into the ph/steroids, especially at my age, but nontheless I want the closest thing to it. I appreciate it fellas, and look forward to posting here.

[muscle_n_blood]

Welcome to the board... glad you are here. You are wise to avoid messing with your hormones at this stage of your development. At 19, you have plenty of natural test on which to grow. It's good that you know that diet is key... a lot of people pay lip service to that but in reality don't eat enough of the right foods to get max results naturally. I certainly didn't when I was your age.  As for supplements, well....When I first started training with weights, simple protein powder was unheard of, much less all the junk available now. And most of it is that. Junk. A lot of what's out there that does anything at all is stuff that will give you short term energy and pump. It's fun to use, but is meaningless when it comes to long term results. Also, not everyone repsonds the same to different products.  For example, I like creatine. It helps me a little. Some people it helps a lot, others not at all.
Let's take a quick overview of your food program and training routine first, and see if there are any holes in it. We'll plug them up and then see what needs to be added next.
How often do you eat?
How much protein/carbs/fats per day, average?
What does your training split look like?

[fresh]

I try to eat every 2-3 hours, but I couldn't tell you exactly how many g's/cals of macros I'm gettin a day. As far as training, I train both chest and arms 2x a week. I was training every bodypart for a few years, but decided I'm mainly focused on chest and arms. I'd just like to find a product that actually produces. I'm taking protein and a multi, might get back on creatine. I'd appreciate any insight you have on a product to help assist me in adding weight and decreasing bodyfat. I'm currently 197lbs and 12% bf. Appreciate it, thanks man.

[johnj]

Start working them legs, and you will never regret it. While working them your core body will get strenght also. Legs seem to be overlooked too often. Make them part of routine, if you don't and just concentrate on upper body, it will start to look pretty odd. All top heavy. Besides , while doing sqauts, and other lower body parts, you will gain core body strenght that will help with everything else.
 If you take creatine, drink PLENTY of water ALL day, maybe even add a magnesium supplement, if you don't you might start getting some major  muscle cramps. Also as MnB sez Protien powder is great start. Try the Creatine, and protein regularly for awhile, eat well and plan workouts , along with persistance will work great for a young guy like yourself. Good luck, welcome to the board!

[muscle_n_blood]

You'll be amazed how much your arms and chest will improve when you start doing legs and back seriously, for a few reasons... the core strength JohnJ mentioned for one. For me, lifting the heavier weight with legs and back simply makes everything else feel so much lighter. So much of this is mental... Let's say you are doing deadlifts on back day with 405, 3 sets of 5 reps. If your body and mind are accustomed to that, when you get 135 off the rack to do presses, it will feel so light you could throw it through the ceiling. 50 lb dumbells will seem like  a couple of cans of beer.
You don't have to go crazy with this, but you will do significantly better if you have a rough idea of how much nutrition you are getting. You should be getting a bare minimum of 300 gm protein a day, at least the same grams of carbs, and about half that in fats, preferably EFA's. I've known people to do big steroid cycles and gain very little because they didn't fed the body. They bitched about having bunk gear, but in reality they didn't know how to eat... they thought a damn foot long hot dog was a high protein meal.
If you want a supplement, start with creatine. Plain, pure, creatine monohydrate. You don't need any of the overpriced delivery systems. Just dump 4-5 gm in juice early in the day, and again in your post workout shake.
Do these 3 things with some enthusiasm and you will see results in the morror in a few weeks or less.
1) Start working legs and back. Put some effort into it. A push/pull/legs split with 2 days off after 3 working days is a good start.
2) Get better acquainted with what you are eating. Do not fail to get all the nutrition you need, especially protein. If you want to look great, ya gotta eat great.
3) Start creatine, 4-5 gm 2 x a day. Plenty of water, as stated. This will always be important. Your body will love you for it. 

[fresh]

I know my test levels are already high, but what about a t booster, they seem to give results?

[p.s.]

I know my test levels are already high, but what about a t booster, they seem to give results?

A test booster will not work for you as your test doesn't need boosting (it's already at its all time high).

What you need to do is pay attention to what has been spelled out to ya by MnB and JohnJ. If you want solid results in BBing then it all boils down to consistant nutrition and training. Try getting in 40 grams of protein every 2 hours and eat the bulk of your carbs for breakfast and post workout (as these are the two times in the day that your body will need carbs). EFAs can be added to a few shakes per day in the form of flax oil. Add creatine monohydrate into the mix at 5-10 grams per day and you'll be on your way to making some solid gains, but there are no magic potions or pills (pixie dust) that'll make this happen overnight so be patient.

As a side note both MnB and I have a great many years of experience in BBing (combined close to 70 years), so listen to what you're being told here son and you'll make solid gains.

[fresh]

What about hemobolin 250?

[p.s.]

What about hemobolin 250?

Son judging from your pic/avatar you need to learn how to eat and train before you get all concerned with exotic supplements. Oh and as aside note you'll probably find that most of us old timers won't have used any of these supps unless there's a huge amount of research to back 'em up.

So quit looking for a quick fix and get it into your head that to look good requires a LOT of hard work, and solid nutrition not pixie dust!!

[fresh]

Don't take this the wrong way, I understand there's no magic pill, but I'm looking for something to ASSIST me. Also, I'm 197lbs 12% bf, that's nothing to sneeze at.

[muscle_n_blood]

If you feel like you just have to try something more, get some Methyl 1-D. It's about as good as anything legally available right now, but that ain't much. The over-the-counter stuff that's available will not assist you, not really. Not over the long haul. It is made cause guys like us wll try anything to speed the process of strength and development along. You will get a placebo effect.. since you are making the investment and believe it might work you will subconsciously work a little harder, eat a little better, and because of that you will see increased results.

In truth, the only way to know what you will respond to is try it yourself. As I said before, we don't all respond equally well to the same compounds. This is even true with anabolic steroids. One guy might grow amazingly on deca, while another would get better results out of Flintstone vitamins.

Understand, too, that we all have different training objectives. You're young, and obviously train to look good, feel confident and strong. That's fine, but you can accomplish that with no supplementation at all.
I'm 55, and I've always wanted to be competitive.. I've been competitive at arm wrestling, powerlifting, and bodybuilding over 40 years of strength and physique training. Always pushing my limits, always looking for the edge that would make me bigger, stronger, better.. I've tried it all at some point in time, except for the newest products that make unrealistic clams. I've found that they just don't work as advertised.

I speak from years of experience, as does P.S. He and I are here to help, but we are more interested in seeing you succeed your long term goals in strength and physique, if you have any yet. If not, that's cool... but notice the name of our site: hardcorebodybuilding.net. It isn't lookgoodonthebeach.net.... so hardcore advice is what we'll give you. It's all we understand.

By the way... P.S. is 48 or 49. He's also an IFBB pro who is 5' 10" and 270 lbs, with lower bodyfat than you. He can sneeze at most of us.   

[coneytt]

On the same notes of PS and MnB, you have to train bro. I'm telling, the information I got from these guys is the truth and it works.

Also, you are throwing around your weight and BF as though it matters. I know guys 150 12%, and can easily press 315 for 10 reps. So it's not what you weight it's how you play. And seeing your past post, you are seeking to play unfair  . (I thought it was funny)

Bottom line, read up on how to properly train. Not hitting back nor legs... We laugh at guys like that in the gym, huge upper body but walking on stilts. You have to aim to obtain a strong body and mind (holism form of training). Build your mind with the knowledge of how to eat and train properly, then build your body.

You will not regret what is being told to you. your investment now will dictate your goals in the future.