Heavy-hitters Cycle...

[Jack Tragic]

Sust @ 650mgs/week (duration)...whatever...
Tren @ 300mgs/week (12 weeks) at this point we go...           
        Stan @ 6 x 5mgs/day for 4 to 6 weeks. (test remains constant).

       My question is in re; next cycle         
           same as above, but incorporate Epose @ 300 - 4oomgs/week  4 weeks prior to adding Stan...and continue for duration of cycle.
        Tren A did cause innitial slight water gain (for 7 weeks) but after my body adjusted, I actually began to cut again naturally!
             QOD, ps, M&B, Jay, Ronnie, Art...jump in at any time y'all!     


               

[muscle_n_blood]

You aren't going to notice a worthwhile difference adding that. What's your goal for this run? Where are you trying to get? If you want to be in contest condition or close to it, run the stan and tren together with the test. If not, just stick with the test and tren, and adjust your diet to gain or cut..

[p.s.]

I stick with tren and test and always have solid results (not that I've been off this combo in years mind you). I also don't think that sust is in any way superior to enanthate, and to be honest either cypionate or enanthate is the better way to go for both consistant blood levels and price. Also JT tren doesn't aromatize so in all honesty I don't see how it could cause bloating (excessive sweating yes but bloating?) or any other estrogenic issues.

[Adam]

Test & Tren is my favourite too. Instead of adding in EQ I'd just bump up the TnT a bit, maybe go to 400 mg tren and a gram of test, unless you get too much bloating from that. Personally I find bloating more a matter of carbs than juice, and since you're cutting I'd guess they're pretty low anyway. Are you running an anti-e?

As for sust versus test E or C... I get whatever's cheapest! It's all just test. I like T400 - smaller shots.

[Jack Tragic]

I stick with tren and test and always have solid results (not that I've been off this combo in years mind you). I also don't think that sust is in any way superior to enanthate, and to be honest either cypionate or enanthate is the better way to go for both consistant blood levels and price. Also JT tren doesn't aromatize so in all honesty I don't see how it could cause bloating (excessive sweating yes but bloating?) or any other estrogenic issues.

      I understand that Tren Ace has a tendency to "spike" test levels innitially, as oppossed to tren Enth which has a more gradual and steady release and buildup.

[Jack Tragic]

Thanks all for the feedback!

     Also...ps. Does then tren bother your BP at all seeing that you are always on...? (enth or ace)

[p.s.]

Thanks all for the feedback!

     Also...ps. Does then tren bother your BP at all seeing that you are always on...? (enth or ace)

Nope I just had my BP done a while back for a physical and it was normal/low. Of course we are all different, but I really think BP issues have more to do with bloating (over indulgance in carbs). Plus I also take L-Arginine AKG to ensure that my nitric oxide production is at a peak thus allowing for vaso-dialtion,, as well as niacin, and asa to keep my blood nice and thin and keep inflamation to a minimum in my joints.

[Jack Tragic]

Test & Tren is my favourite too. Instead of adding in EQ I'd just bump up the TnT a bit, maybe go to 400 mg tren and a gram of test, unless you get too much bloating from that. Personally I find bloating more a matter of carbs than juice, and since you're cutting I'd guess they're pretty low anyway. Are you running an anti-e?As for sust versus test E or C... I get whatever's cheapest! It's all just test. I like T400 - smaller shots.

  No anti-e... Never seem to need one. I'm lucky that way. Yes. Carbs are normally just bordering on maintenance as I just don't see the logic in full-blown "bulking" at this point in my life...this would just be like taking a step or two backwards in my training.  I also tend to go with what's on sale too (as far as base test goes). Got a huge deal on Karachi sust as well as Jelfa omnidren (which will be used soon enough). Yes, I liked the T-400 as well! But hard to find down this way. Havent heard much about you competing as of late...are you still active? J.

[Jack Tragic]

Nope I just had my BP done a while back for a physical and it was normal/low. Of course we are all different, but I really think BP issues have more to do with bloating (over indulgance in carbs). Plus I also take L-Arginine AKG to ensure that my nitric oxide production is at a peak thus allowing for vaso-dialtion,, as well as niacin, and asa to keep my blood nice and thin and keep inflamation to a minimum in my joints.

Carbs are always low bro. Might have to try the L-Arg AKG and the asa. Tried niacin in the past...didn't work for me though. Got a lab visit comming up soon for full blood work (i like to do this at least twice per year to keep tabs on things). Increased my cardio routien as to bring the bp down before my Doc gets wind of it...she'll want to put me on all kinds of crap as I have a long family history of "elevated BP's" 
   The "reccomended norm" here in the States for bp seems to be around 135/60. To me, this is just unrealistic. Being a strength athelete I feel that having a low blood pressure would just be anti-productive as it has taken me years of heavy lifting to get to this point. The way I see it is this...a long distance/marathon runner has an extremely low "resting" heart rate. A bi product of years of training to be a distance runner, right? Now does this low resting heart rate mean that his/her heart will stop beating at any given moment?...No! imo...my high bp is nothing more than a bi product/result of my years of power training or anarobic training and is what it is used to or adapted to/for...my point here is just what physician can really tell me that my personal bp is too high?...Comparred to WHAT...? 100,000 other BB'ers and PWR lifters...or a 100,000 paper-pushers or even worse...Doctors!! Who get the LEAST amount of physical activity and most of the daily stress!? Who the hell sets our standards?

[queenofthedamned]

      I understand that Tren Ace has a tendency to "spike" test levels innitially, as oppossed to tren Enth which has a more gradual and steady release and buildup.

the only way that you will get "spikes" from a compound is if your arent using the ester correctly. The acetate ester is a very short-chain ester attached to the trenbolone molecule. It has an active life of 2-3 days but to keep blood levels of trenbolone elevated and steady, daily injections are often recommended.

enanthate just has a different release time, much longer. it allows the user to get away with injections X2 a week, which (unless you like being a pin cusion) is way easier on those of us who DETEST injections. unless you are on a time limit and getting ready for a show i would stick to a slower release ester.

Trenbolones chemical structure makes it resistant to the aromatize enzyme (conversion to estrogen) thus absolutely no percentage of trenbolone will convert to estrogen. Trenbolone administration would not promote estrogenic side effects such as breast tissue growth in men (gynecomastia, bitch tits) accelerated fat gain, decline in fat break down and water retention....EQ though DOES cause water retention. i cant use it pre-contest because of this. deca (if you can handle the joint pain post cycle) is only one molecule in difference from EQ, but lacks the unwanted sides such as water retention. i dont know why more people dont use is pre-contest (well....it's obviously because of the joint pain issues) i do know a few that swear it works great for pre-contest prep.

stanozolone..yuck...hate it....crapola...pat loves it...why not just run TNT for 12 weeks (with an enanthate or acetate ester, you can get it in both forms) and for the last 4 weeks, throw in some oral winstrol (im assuming you were going to use oral as anyone who uses injectable is certifiably insane)....

[Jack Tragic]

the only way that you will get "spikes" from a compound is if your arent using the ester correctly. The acetate ester is a very short-chain ester attached to the trenbolone molecule. It has an active life of 2-3 days but to keep blood levels of trenbolone elevated and steady, daily injections are often recommended.

enanthate just has a different release time, much longer. it allows the user to get away with injections X2 a week, which (unless you like being a pin cusion) is way easier on those of us who DETEST injections. unless you are on a time limit and getting ready for a show i would stick to a slower release ester.

Trenbolones chemical structure makes it resistant to the aromatize enzyme (conversion to estrogen) thus absolutely no percentage of trenbolone will convert to estrogen. Trenbolone administration would not promote estrogenic side effects such as breast tissue growth in men (gynecomastia, bitch tits) accelerated fat gain, decline in fat break down and water retention....EQ though DOES cause water retention. i cant use it pre-contest because of this. deca (if you can handle the joint pain post cycle) is only one molecule in difference from EQ, but lacks the unwanted sides such as water retention. i dont know why more people dont use is pre-contest (well....it's obviously because of the joint pain issues) i do know a few that swear it works great for pre-contest prep.

stanozolone..yuck...hate it....crapola...pat loves it...why not just run TNT for 12 weeks (with an enanthate or acetate ester, you can get it in both forms) and for the last 4 weeks, throw in some oral winstrol (im assuming you were going to use oral as anyone who uses injectable is certifiably insane)....

  .....OMFG! Queenie has come back from the dead! ('bout time...). It may be possible that I confused the all around "pump" from the tren as bloat, as I am so used to being thick, vascular and "lean". The increase in overall strength from the T was the BEST that I have had as of yet from ANY AAS. My cycles ALWAYS go for 24 weeks minimum. As shorter cycles imo are a waste of money and effort! I chose the Stan for the fact as you stated, pinning ED w/winny V is just too much! My joints hurt only for the first 7 days w/ the stan. After that everything was very good. Strength came back and really got the hard look b/t! The only downside to the Stan is that "orals" seem to give me issues w/acne...always! D-bol, Stan...whatever. Not beyond control...just a nusence or anoyance! Now as far as Deca goes. Ran that for 24 weeks w/Test Cyp and that was just a killer cycle! It seems as though YOU are the only one that has given any "positive" feedback on Epose as yet.
    HEY!! How about posting some pics soon hon?    Jack.

[p.s.]

 JT the issue with high BP is that it pounds the shit outta your kidneys and could cause other issues as well so it's much better to have low BP than high BP. If the DR is concerned then get 'em to put you on a 24 hour monitor as mine did with me a few years back due to my BP being high at the time of testing. The 24 hour test came back low, but man it was through the roof during the initial test.

[Jack Tragic]

JT the issue with high BP is that it pounds the shit outta your kidneys and could cause other issues as well so it's much better to have low BP than high BP. If the DR is concerned then get 'em to put you on a 24 hour monitor as mine did with me a few years back due to my BP being high at the time of testing. The 24 hour test came back low, but man it was through the roof during the initial test.

I hear ya ps. I am working on it as today I had a blood draw at the lab and will see the Doc to go over the results in about 2 weeks. Do you think I should mention the AAS usage? With the white cell count elevated and looking the way I do, i think she should be able to figure that one out for herself...

[muscle_n_blood]

Don't take the BP thing lightly. A good friend of mine had l long history of high blood pressure, even though in pretty good condition. He had a stroke and died almost instantly. He was in the process of remodeling my bathroom at the time. He was 39. There are plenty of others. You'll see this more and more as you get older, (as if you hadn't already) It's not just the fatasses, JT. It can happen to us, too.

[Jack Tragic]

Don't take the BP thing lightly. A good friend of mine had l long history of high blood pressure, even though in pretty good condition. He had a stroke and died almost instantly. He was in the process of remodeling my bathroom at the time. He was 39. There are plenty of others. You'll see this more and more as you get older, (as if you hadn't already) It's not just the fatasses, JT. It can happen to us, too.

Thankx M&B. Sorry to hear of your tragic loss of a good friend...I just could not imagine! WOW! 39 years young! Very sad. One thing for sure. Hypertension/HBP does NOT discriminate!