Once again I’m confused..

[hitman]

So I went to Sports Nutrition Depot today to get some more protein shake. I got talking to the store clerk and told him that I drink shakes that have 50 – 60 grams of protein in them 3 times a day. He told me I shouldn’t do this because my body can only absorb 33grams of protein at a time and the access protein is just being stored as fat and being overall wasted by my digestive system. He also told me that that much protein puts stress on my liver.

So I purchased my regular ALLMAX protein powder which contains 25g per serving. Also I purchased some carb mix which has 45grams of carbs per serving.

This is what he suggested I try:

Don’t take protein shakes at breakfast time.
Take 3 shakes a day and mix. Each shake should contain one scoop of protein powder, one scoop of carb powder, milk and a cut up banana.
When I come home from the gym its preferable that I eat actual food instead of taking a protein shake. (So if I come home and eat dinner I shouldn’t take a shake)

Also he told me that I should give my body two hours to digest food in between meals.


So here is where my questions start:
Does this guy actually know what he’s talking about?
Does any of this make sense to you guys, since I know some of you are taking shakes that contain 50g+ of protein in them.
Why do I need to mix banana in with my shakes? Anything special about bananas?

As always thanks for the help.

[HARDCORE]

The guy is a retard.

Anybody that spews out a specific number of grams that you can absorb at a time is just a parrot reciting the latest Muscle and Fiction magazine article that he just read. Who says that YOU can only absorb 33 grams of protein at a time? A VERY simple cure for the "know it all's to the specific number" is to ask WHERE did you hear this, or read this, or where the study proving that is? I guarantee you and I utilize different amounts of protein per sitting, I take in 50-80 grams per serving.

The solid food after the workout should have set you off that this guy's driveway doesnt quite reach the street. WTF? Anybody with 2.3 brain cells knows that a liquid and easily digestable meal after your workout is the preferred form, due to nutrient uptake and utilization. Solid food takes too long to digest and will give you more of a likelyhood of missing that "window of opportunity".

I am glad you posted here, we can save you from the know-it-all trolls.

Do what you have been doing and dont talk to the dumbass anymore please.


~HC

[hitman]

Thanks Hardcore.
I asked him those questions, he’s a Kinesiology student from university of Toronto so that’s why I thought he might have a slight idea about what he’s talking about.

[hitman]

Another thing that kinda made me think this guy is a little bit od was when he started telling me about the blood type nutrition..

[HARDCORE]

Thanks Hardcore.
I asked him those questions, he’s a Kinesiology student from university of Toronto so that’s why I thought he might have a slight idea about what he’s talking about.

Kinesiology studies human movement, he should stick to that and not nutrition

[dancerqueen]

Truly, Kinesiology and nutrition are two very different topics.  You can major in one and have little understanding of the other. 

[simple]

Sounds about like the kind of advice we get here in Oregon for being dumb enough to walk into a GNC! You would think these nutrition stores would give some effort into educating their employees. I take in about the same amount of protein per serving as Hardcore. Could you imagine trying to scarf down 400 grams per day with only 33 grams per serving.

[wolverine]

Having taken some kines classes as part of my major I can tell you that nutrition was NEVER discussed. If it was the discussion was so short it left absolutely no impression on me.

[Jack Tragic]

Yes, I do agree with the majority here. I beleive when someone states that one can absorb only 24 gms/protien/hour, I think they are referring to a "solid food" source such as Chicken, turkey, beef...whatever which takes much longer to "digest" whereas Protien powders are quickly digested and absorbed by the receptors...esp, if one is "inhanced".

[Camilo]

Another thing that kinda made me think this guy is a little bit od was when he started telling me about the blood type nutrition..

That's the first sign of the need to avoid conversation. Let's not even start with that.

Any questions you have, just feel free to ask, even by a PM if you wish. I'm not a Kinesiologist  but might be able to help

I agree with the 30g/hour (30g of absorved protein, not intake) theory of protein consumption, but with a different approach. 30g produces about the ammount of nitrogen derivates (like ureic acid) which your kidney can excrete in the rated time.  More than that just creates more uremic metabolites than you can excrete and can bring some problems if done chronically.  Your body stabilized this by just excreting excessive protein.

Mixing bananas to your shakes gives you a lot of calories and fructose.  That's all the special stuff about it. It increases

Cheers,

Camilo

[hitman]

Okay so if I can absorb 33g of protein an hour and i take a shake that has 66g or protein it will take 2hours for me to absorb it?.. The access protein wont be stored as fat?
What about things like liver and kidney problems?

[Camilo]

Okay so if I can absorb 33g of protein an hour and i take a shake that has 66g or protein it will take 2hours for me to absorb it?.. The access protein wont be stored as fat?
What about things like liver and kidney problems?

Okay so if I can absorb 33g of protein an hour and i take a shake that has 66g or protein it will take 2hours for me to absorb it?.. The access protein wont be stored as fat?
What about things like liver and kidney problems?

Well, the excess protein intake can take a lot of pathways when not consumed. It can continue through your intestinal track without absorption and you’ll just excrete it which would mean a waste.  It can enter the Cori Cycle and be changed into glucose which can act as an energy source, be stored as glycogen, or metabolized into storage molecules (yes, fat)

Your body after some times gets adapted to excessive protein consumption.  At the beginning you’ll have some curious issues.  You’ll see your urine changes in appearance and smell; you’ll start farting A LOT, etc.

A long term run of high protein diet does have an impact in your kidney’s filtering membranes and does decrease your filtration rate, but the fact you normally use only half your kidney’s capacity, makes the quantification of such “damage” statistically difficult to classify.  In other terms, you can live with that without noticing such.  Of course, this happens if you have no previous renal issue or you’re NOT GOING TO DEVELOP any kidney issue in the future.  People which are going to develop some kidney diseases in the future like proliferate-membrane kidney disease will accelerate the process by high protein consumption.  People with diabetes will literally kill their kidneys with consumption over 0.6-0.8g/kg. 

It really does depend.  I would recommend, as with any other aspect in life, to be periodic in consumption increases, and to be moderate at your consumption.  If you’re not going into professional competition, some things should just be left on human rates.  Keep your protein high but don’t exaggerate on what you’re doing. 

Cheers,

Camilo

[killermctavish]

That was an interesting read---thanks.  I like to know what happens to my food after I eat it (between the ingress and the egress). 

And, now that I think of it, I have another question for you, Camilo.  I read conflicting recommendations and even on reputable sites regarding water consumption WITH meals.  Some say drink water half an hour prior to a meal, some say drink no water WITH a meal because if affects digestion of the meal, other say drink water before, during, and after, etc.  Is there a reason to drink or not drink lots of water with a meal?  Thanks.

[RJSMuscle]

"Why do I need to mix banana in with my shakes? Anything special about bananas?"

You don't necessarily need to mix in with your shake but Bananas will help to replenish potassium lost during exercise.

[dancerqueen]

hitman, your beginning question was asking about absorption of protein and the guy stating that the body can only absorb 33 grams in a hour.  Think about that statement for a second.  I'm 160lbs right now and about 130 of those pounds are muscle, does this mean that I am only going to absorb 33 grams of protein in a hour and HC who is 220lbs right now and about 200 of those pounds are muscle.  Does this mean that he is only going to absorb 33 grams of protein.  Absolutely not!!!!  We are two completely different people.  There is no exact number to absorption of protein, carbs, or fats.  Everyone is different.  My average protein serving with my shake, which is used as a snack for me is 55 grams of protein. 

I'm not sure what your goal is, but the whole mixing bananas with your shake is not going to up your protein levels.  It will up your carbohydrate levels.  Fructose is not a preferred carb source post workout. 

What are your goals with your body?  Are you trying to put on some mass?  I hope this helps you out a little.  I'm noticing a lot of contradictory information on this particular thread.  I'm sure it can get confusing.